Red Arrow Hobbies Phlexible Phenolic

Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic

Contributed by Thomas Beach

Published: 2010-11-13
Manufacturer: Red Arrow Hobbies
[TRA][HPR Magazine]

T' followin' article is from "High Power Rocketry" magazine. Avast! Ya scallywag! This information represents only a small portion o' t' contents o' "High Power Rocketry". We strongly suggest that you subscribe t' "High Power Rocketry". Arrr! Ya scallywag! By doin' so you will find many color pictures, articles, shiver me timbers, matey, launch reports and projects primarily associated with High Power Rocketry activities. Blimey! Ya scallywag!   For more information, use t' two links above.




(High Power Rocketry - June 1998 - page 10 - by Sunny Thompson and Bob Sisk) 

Phenolic That Doesn't Shatter?

[Tubing]   Bob uses phenolic (occasionally) but up until recently, Sonny (that would be me) did not. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Well, that's nay completely true. Ya scallywag! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Well, matey, blow me down! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Blimey! Ya scallywag! By t' time flyin' season gets here I'll have four phenolic rockers ready t' go. Aye aye! What's changed me mind about phenolic? Phenolic now comes in a shatter resistant variety. Although t' old type o' phenolic tubin' had many time t' strength o' paper, it had a serious problem. Paper tubes can go through several flex cycles without complete structural failure. Phenolic material can go through exactly one (1) flex cycle, shiver me timbers, matey, no more, no less. That is up until now . Avast! Avast! . Ya scallywag! . Well, blow me down!

   Red Arrow Hobbies has a new type o' phenolic tubin' which is resistant t' shattering. Sound too good t' be true? Well, it is true. Arrr! Red Arrow calls it "Phlexible Phenolic". I think a better description would be "shatter resistant" phenolic. Ahoy! T' old type o' phenolic was a porous paper tube which was saturated with resin and cured until it became nice and strong and, me bucko, unfortunately, me bucko, nice and brittle. Ahoy! Blimey! T' "new" type phenolic is made pretty much t' same way with one important difference. Avast, me proud beauty! Ahoy! The resin is nay allowed t' saturate all t' way through t' paper. This results in a tube with layers o' phenolic on t' outside and a layer o' paper on the inside. Begad! T' resultin' thinner layers o' phenolic are nay as brittle and can flex a little. Blimey! So can t' paper core. So can t' paper core. Aye aye! Ahoy! This makes a big difference. Begad! This results in a product with a cross section of phenolic-paper-phenolic, with about t' same strength o' t' old type of (brittle) phenolic but unlike t' old phenolic, t' new stuff can take a punch without shatterin' into pieces. Ya scallywag! Begad! T' difference is amazing. T' difference is amazing. Avast! Blimey! First thar was expensive/brittle phenolic, me bucko, then cheap/brittle phenolic and now shatter resistant phenolic. Blimey! Things are lookin' up! Next thing you know someone will be offerin' a seamless, shiver me timbers, shiver me timbers, shatter resistant phenolic for free. Avast! Blimey! Well, me hearties, arrr, me bucko, maybe not.

No Virginia, thar be no panacea.

   Panacea . Begad! . Arrr! . not, shiver me timbers, but close enough t' win a big fat Cuban cigar. Avast, me proud beauty! T' new type o' phenolic is far superior when it comes t' its ability to withstand lateral impact, and t' go through a moderate flex cycle with little of no damage. Blimey! It is nay indestructible and it is nay really flexible in both axis. Ahoy! Arrr! (holdin' t' nose with one hand, ya bilge rat, shiver me timbers, bracin' t' tail with one foot and tryin' t' bend t' middle o' t' rocket with a knee would be ill advised. )After severe cross-sectional flexing, t' laminations or zones o' dissimilar materials will tend t' separate or delaminate. Ya scallywag! If you shove it into t' ground at 450+ mph it will break all t' pieces. Ya scallywag! On t' other hand, if your rocket falls over and hits a hard piece o' furniture it will nay shatter . Ya scallywag! . Ya scallywag! . Ahoy! Aye aye! unless you have reactive armor furniture. Aye aye! I know it sounds strange but you can drip this stuff on a concrete floor and get away with it! (You might have t' touch up t' paint if you are a "neat freak". Aye aye! ) You cannot run over it with your car. Ya scallywag! Ahoy! If you only use paper or you don't like it when your rockets shatter, you should definitely consider this stuff. Begad! Aye aye!

   T' price us less than t' high dollar phenolic. Ahoy! Avast! If you want more strength without glassing, me bucko, you can get a full length coupler tube for the same price as t' tube it fits. Ya scallywag! If you go this route, don't use a lot of epoxy betwixt t' outer tube and t' full length coupler. Avast, me proud beauty! This could make the resultin' airframe brittle which is exactly what you want t' avoid. Aye aye! I like full length couplers because they allow me t' make me own extended coupler, matey, thereby eliminatin' t' slight wobble you can get with t' couplers that come with kits. Well, me hearties, blow me down!

   Finishin' is exactly t' same as regular phenolic except if you drop it while you are workin' on it, me bucko, you don't have t' glue t' pieces back together. As usual, sand areas where epoxy will be applied. Lightly sand before painting, me bucko, matey, shiver me timbers, etc. , ya bilge rat, etc. Begad! , matey, shiver me timbers, blah, ya bilge rat, blah, blah. Avast!

   T' difference really is amazing, arrr, me hearties, I suspended a piece of the "new" type phenolic tubin' and hit it (smartly) with a claw hammer. It did nay break. Blimey! It did nay break. I hit it again. Avast! I hit it again. Nothing. With t' "standard" phenolic I would be pickin' up a pile of broken pieces. Blimey! Next, I did what any good engineer would do and bashed it against a tree. Arrr! Arrr! No flyin' pieces! No visible damage. Begad! Ahoy! No visible damage. Begad! Weird! I be impressed. Aye aye! (Frankly, ya bilge rat, I suspect "alien technology. Avast, me proud beauty! ")

   Red Arrow sells tubes which will fit LOC TM and PML TM nose cones. Well, blow me down! They even offer their new phenolic in 5. Avast! 5" diameter. Avast! Begad! Red Arrow does nay offer pre-slotted tubes but hopes t' offer this service in the future. They also hope t' offer kits based on their new phenolic. Ya scallywag! Well, shiver me timbers, blow me down! Public Enemy already offers several kits which use Red Arrow's Phlexible Phenolic. Avast!

   If you are into phenolic, give this stuff a try. Ahoy! Ya scallywag! You'll thank me when your rocket falls over in t' garage, me hearties, lands on t' concrete floor and doesn't shatter!

* SPECIAL NOTE off o' RMR from Andrew Waddell, arrr, PML Support Representative


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

T' followin' excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". T' intention is t' allow guests t' get a basic feelin' about a kit. Well, blow me down! We strongly suggest that you get a copy o' the referenced Sport Rocketry and read t' entire article. Blimey! Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. For more information, shiver me timbers, use t' two links above.



Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic
(Sport Rocketry - May/Jun 1998 - page 21 - by Thomas Beach) 

"I've always appreciated t' strength, stiffness, moisture-resistance, and finishing characteristics o' phenolic tubin' . . Begad! . Arrr! But . Begad! . Avast, me proud beauty! . Avast! it is brittle!"
"Red Arrow Hobbies has an answer . Well, blow me down! . . Ahoy! "Phlexible Phenolic" tubing. Ya scallywag! "
". Ahoy! . Begad! . Ya scallywag! Arrr! available with inside diameters from 1. Avast! 145" up t' 7. 512" . Ya scallywag! . . "
"Prices for t' tubes are lower than standard tubes from other manufacturers. "
"T' axial failure strengths are comparable . . Ya scallywag! . Begad! Begad! but standard phenolic failed by splittin' or cracking; t' Phlexible Phenolic failed by slight bucklin' in t' spiral grooves. Aye aye! Ya scallywag! "
"Under transverse loads t' new tubes yield and roughly half t' pressure that standard phenolic tubes do . Arrr! . Ya scallywag! Begad! . Begad! "
". Ahoy! Well, blow me down! Blimey! . Ahoy! . Ya scallywag! Arrr! Blimey! I did some o' me own testin' . Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! . Avast! Blimey! . Ya scallywag! Begad! Blimey! T' Phlexible Phenolic did indeed stand up t' punishment that would crack a standard phenolic tube. Arrr! Blimey! "
"Of course, me hearties, me bucko, shiver me timbers, if you hit it hard enough, me bucko, you can smash t' tubes . . Ahoy! . "
"T' Phlexible Phenolic looks like a good product at a good price. "

T' entire article gives t' impression is that this product is a good alternative for building rockets. Avast!

Comments:

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D.S. (January 1, 2001)
I've never actually used this product but have heard only good reviews by those who have. However, I have used PML phenolic on 2 projects and found it to be a great airframe material. My note is to the guys at PML: Let the public determine the value of "phlexible phenolic." If it is no good, we'll find out. Meanwhile, you sell terrific materials and kits, please just let them stand on their own well-proven merits.

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