Red Arrow Hobbies Phlexible Phenolic

Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic

Contributed by Thomas Beach

Published: 2010-11-13
Manufacturer: Red Arrow Hobbies
[TRA][HPR Magazine]

T' followin' article is from "High Power Rocketry" magazine. Begad! This information represents only a small portion o' t' contents o' "High Power Rocketry". Blimey! Avast, me proud beauty! We strongly suggest that you subscribe t' "High Power Rocketry". Begad! Avast! By doin' so you will find many color pictures, arrr, articles, launch reports and projects primarily associated with High Power Rocketry activities.   For more information, use t' two links above. Aye aye!




(High Power Rocketry - June 1998 - page 10 - by Sunny Thompson and Bob Sisk) 

Phenolic That Doesn't Shatter?

[Tubing]   Bob uses phenolic (occasionally) but up until recently, Sonny (that would be me) did not. Arrr! Well, that's nay completely true. I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Begad! Avast! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Begad! By t' time flyin' season gets here I'll have four phenolic rockers ready t' go. Ahoy! Avast, me proud beauty! What's changed me mind about phenolic? Phenolic now comes in a shatter resistant variety. Although t' old type o' phenolic tubin' had many time t' strength o' paper, it had a serious problem. Avast, me proud beauty! Avast! Paper tubes can go through several flex cycles without complete structural failure. Phenolic material can go through exactly one (1) flex cycle, no more, me bucko, no less. That is up until now . Begad! . . Ahoy!

   Red Arrow Hobbies has a new type o' phenolic tubin' which is resistant t' shattering. Sound too good t' be true? Well, it is true. Avast! Red Arrow calls it "Phlexible Phenolic". Aye aye! I think a better description would be "shatter resistant" phenolic. Aye aye! T' old type o' phenolic was a porous paper tube which was saturated with resin and cured until it became nice and strong and, matey, unfortunately, me hearties, nice and brittle. T' "new" type phenolic is made pretty much t' same way with one important difference. Begad! Blimey! The resin is nay allowed t' saturate all t' way through t' paper. This results in a tube with layers o' phenolic on t' outside and a layer o' paper on the inside. Well, blow me down! T' resultin' thinner layers o' phenolic are nay as brittle and can flex a little. Begad! Ahoy! So can t' paper core. Begad! So can t' paper core. Blimey! This makes a big difference. Begad! This results in a product with a cross section of phenolic-paper-phenolic, me hearties, with about t' same strength o' t' old type of (brittle) phenolic but unlike t' old phenolic, me bucko, t' new stuff can take a punch without shatterin' into pieces. Aye aye! T' difference is amazing. Aye aye! T' difference is amazing. Avast, me proud beauty! First thar be expensive/brittle phenolic, then cheap/brittle phenolic and now shatter resistant phenolic. Aye aye! Things are lookin' up! Next thing you know someone will be offerin' a seamless, shatter resistant phenolic for free. Well, blow me down! Well, matey, arrr, ya bilge rat, maybe not. Avast, me proud beauty! Ya scallywag!

No Virginia, thar be no panacea.

   Panacea . Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! . Well, blow me down! . not, arrr, but close enough t' win a big fat Cuban cigar. Arrr! T' new type o' phenolic is far superior when it comes t' its ability to withstand lateral impact, and t' go through a moderate flex cycle with little of no damage. Begad! It is nay indestructible and it is nay really flexible in both axis. Begad! (holdin' t' nose with one hand, bracin' t' tail with one foot and tryin' t' bend t' middle o' t' rocket with a knee would be ill advised. )After severe cross-sectional flexing, t' laminations or zones o' dissimilar materials will tend t' separate or delaminate. Begad! If you shove it into t' ground at 450+ mph it will break all t' pieces. Begad! On t' other hand, ya bilge rat, if your rocket falls over and hits a hard piece o' furniture it will nay shatter . Well, blow me down! . Ahoy! . Blimey! unless you have reactive armor furniture. Begad! Ya scallywag! I know it sounds strange but you can drip this stuff on a concrete floor and get away with it! (You might have t' touch up t' paint if you are a "neat freak". Blimey! Avast! ) You cannot run over it with your car. Avast! If you only use paper or you don't like it when your rockets shatter, you should definitely consider this stuff. Aye aye! Avast!

   T' price us less than t' high dollar phenolic. Ahoy! Blimey! If you want more strength without glassing, me bucko, matey, you can get a full length coupler tube for the same price as t' tube it fits. Ya scallywag! Avast, me proud beauty! If you go this route, shiver me timbers, don't use a lot of epoxy betwixt t' outer tube and t' full length coupler. Begad! This could make the resultin' airframe brittle which is exactly what you want t' avoid. Arrr! I like full length couplers because they allow me t' make me own extended coupler, ya bilge rat, thereby eliminatin' t' slight wobble you can get with t' couplers that come with kits. Avast!

   Finishin' is exactly t' same as regular phenolic except if you drop it while you are workin' on it, you don't have t' glue t' pieces back together. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! As usual, sand areas where epoxy will be applied. Aye aye! Lightly sand before painting, matey, me bucko, etc. Ahoy! , ya bilge rat, etc. Blimey! , blah, blah, matey, matey, blah. Arrr!

   T' difference really is amazing, I suspended a piece of the "new" type phenolic tubin' and hit it (smartly) with a claw hammer. It did nay break. Avast! Begad! It did nay break. Ya scallywag! I hit it again. Begad! I hit it again. Nothing. Avast! Blimey! With t' "standard" phenolic I would be pickin' up a pile of broken pieces. Avast! Next, I did what any good engineer would do and bashed it against a tree. Aye aye! No flyin' pieces! No visible damage. Well, me hearties, blow me down! No visible damage. Blimey! Weird! I be impressed. (Frankly, I suspect "alien technology. Avast, me proud beauty! Avast! ")

   Red Arrow sells tubes which will fit LOC TM and PML TM nose cones. Avast! They even offer their new phenolic in 5. Ya scallywag! 5" diameter. Aye aye! Blimey! Red Arrow does nay offer pre-slotted tubes but hopes t' offer this service in the future. They also hope t' offer kits based on their new phenolic. Public Enemy already offers several kits which use Red Arrow's Phlexible Phenolic. Well, blow me down!

   If you are into phenolic, give this stuff a try. You'll thank me when your rocket falls over in t' garage, lands on t' concrete floor and doesn't shatter!

* SPECIAL NOTE off o' RMR from Andrew Waddell, PML Support Representative


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

T' followin' excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". Aye aye! Aye aye! T' intention is t' allow guests t' get a basic feelin' about a kit. Blimey! Avast, me proud beauty! We strongly suggest that you get a copy o' the referenced Sport Rocketry and read t' entire article. Ahoy! Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. Begad! Begad! For more information, me hearties, matey, use t' two links above. Well, blow me down!



Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic
(Sport Rocketry - May/Jun 1998 - page 21 - by Thomas Beach) 

"I've always appreciated t' strength, stiffness, shiver me timbers, moisture-resistance, and finishing characteristics o' phenolic tubin' . Aye aye! Aye aye! . Well, blow me down! . But . . Avast! . Blimey! it is brittle!"
"Red Arrow Hobbies has an answer . Arrr! . . "Phlexible Phenolic" tubing. "
". Aye aye! Blimey! . Arrr! Blimey! . Well, blow me down! Blimey! available with inside diameters from 1. Begad! Blimey! 145" up t' 7. 512" . . . Blimey! Blimey! Aye aye! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! "
"Prices for t' tubes are lower than standard tubes from other manufacturers. Ya scallywag! "
"T' axial failure strengths are comparable . . Arrr! Avast, me proud beauty! . Begad! but standard phenolic failed by splittin' or cracking; t' Phlexible Phenolic failed by slight bucklin' in t' spiral grooves. Avast! Begad! "
"Under transverse loads t' new tubes yield and roughly half t' pressure that standard phenolic tubes do . Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! . Ahoy! Blimey! . Avast! Blimey! "
". Begad! . Blimey! Well, blow me down! . Avast, me proud beauty! Begad! I did some o' me own testin' . Ahoy! . Begad! Blimey! . Arrr! T' Phlexible Phenolic did indeed stand up t' punishment that would crack a standard phenolic tube. Begad! "
"Of course, if you hit it hard enough, matey, ya bilge rat, ya bilge rat, you can smash t' tubes . Ahoy! . Well, blow me down! . "
"T' Phlexible Phenolic looks like a good product at a good price. Ahoy! Blimey! "

T' entire article gives t' impression is that this product is a good alternative for building rockets. Well, blow me down!

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D.S. (January 1, 2001)
I've never actually used this product but have heard only good reviews by those who have. However, I have used PML phenolic on 2 projects and found it to be a great airframe material. My note is to the guys at PML: Let the public determine the value of "phlexible phenolic." If it is no good, we'll find out. Meanwhile, you sell terrific materials and kits, please just let them stand on their own well-proven merits.

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