Red Arrow Hobbies Phlexible Phenolic

Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic

Contributed by Thomas Beach

Published: 2010-11-13
Manufacturer: Red Arrow Hobbies
[TRA][HPR Magazine]

T' followin' article is from "High Power Rocketry" magazine. Ya scallywag! Begad! This information represents only a small portion o' t' contents o' "High Power Rocketry". Avast, me proud beauty! Well, ya bilge rat, blow me down! We strongly suggest that you subscribe t' "High Power Rocketry". Aye aye! By doin' so you will find many color pictures, matey, articles, me hearties, launch reports and projects primarily associated with High Power Rocketry activities.   For more information, use t' two links above. Ahoy!




(High Power Rocketry - June 1998 - page 10 - by Sunny Thompson and Bob Sisk) 

Phenolic That Doesn't Shatter?

[Tubing]   Bob uses phenolic (occasionally) but up until recently, Sonny (that would be me) did not. Avast! Well, that's nay completely true. Well, blow me down! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Begad! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Arrr! Ya scallywag! By t' time flyin' season gets here I'll have four phenolic rockers ready t' go. Well, arrr, blow me down! What's changed me mind about phenolic? Phenolic now comes in a shatter resistant variety. Ahoy! Begad! Although t' old type o' phenolic tubin' had many time t' strength o' paper, arrr, it had a serious problem. Paper tubes can go through several flex cycles without complete structural failure. Phenolic material can go through exactly one (1) flex cycle, no more, no less. That is up until now . Aye aye! . . Blimey!

   Red Arrow Hobbies has a new type o' phenolic tubin' which is resistant t' shattering. Avast! Blimey! Sound too good t' be true? Well, me hearties, it is true. Arrr! Avast, arrr, me proud beauty! Red Arrow calls it "Phlexible Phenolic". Well, blow me down! I think a better description would be "shatter resistant" phenolic. Aye aye! T' old type o' phenolic be a porous paper tube which was saturated with resin and cured until it became nice and strong and, arrr, matey, unfortunately, nice and brittle. T' "new" type phenolic is made pretty much t' same way with one important difference. The resin is nay allowed t' saturate all t' way through t' paper. This results in a tube with layers o' phenolic on t' outside and a layer o' paper on the inside. Ahoy! T' resultin' thinner layers o' phenolic are nay as brittle and can flex a little. Ya scallywag! Ya scallywag! So can t' paper core. Ya scallywag! Begad! So can t' paper core. Arrr! Ya scallywag! This makes a big difference. Aye aye! Aye aye! This results in a product with a cross section of phenolic-paper-phenolic, me bucko, me bucko, with about t' same strength o' t' old type of (brittle) phenolic but unlike t' old phenolic, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, t' new stuff can take a punch without shatterin' into pieces. Arrr! Avast! T' difference is amazing. Avast! T' difference is amazing. Begad! Arrr! First thar was expensive/brittle phenolic, then cheap/brittle phenolic and now shatter resistant phenolic. Begad! Things are lookin' up! Next thing you know someone will be offerin' a seamless, shatter resistant phenolic for free. Avast! Well, maybe not. Aye aye!

No Virginia, thar be no panacea.

   Panacea . Ahoy! Well, blow me down! . . Avast! not, ya bilge rat, but close enough t' win a big fat Cuban cigar. Ahoy! T' new type o' phenolic is far superior when it comes t' its ability to withstand lateral impact, matey, and t' go through a moderate flex cycle with little of no damage. Avast, me proud beauty! Well, me bucko, blow me down! It is nay indestructible and it is nay really flexible in both axis. Avast! Well, blow me down! (holdin' t' nose with one hand, shiver me timbers, bracin' t' tail with one foot and tryin' t' bend t' middle o' t' rocket with a knee would be ill advised. )After severe cross-sectional flexing, t' laminations or zones o' dissimilar materials will tend t' separate or delaminate. Arrr! Avast! If you shove it into t' ground at 450+ mph it will break all t' pieces. On t' other hand, ya bilge rat, if your rocket falls over and hits a hard piece o' furniture it will nay shatter . Begad! . Well, blow me down! . Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! unless you have reactive armor furniture. Well, blow me down! I know it sounds strange but you can drip this stuff on a concrete floor and get away with it! (You might have t' touch up t' paint if you are a "neat freak". Begad! ) You cannot run over it with your car. Blimey! Aye aye! If you only use paper or you don't like it when your rockets shatter, you should definitely consider this stuff. Begad!

   T' price us less than t' high dollar phenolic. If you want more strength without glassing, you can get a full length coupler tube for the same price as t' tube it fits. If you go this route, don't use a lot of epoxy betwixt t' outer tube and t' full length coupler. Begad! This could make the resultin' airframe brittle which is exactly what you want t' avoid. Begad! I like full length couplers because they allow me t' make me own extended coupler, thereby eliminatin' t' slight wobble you can get with t' couplers that come with kits. Avast, me proud beauty!

   Finishin' is exactly t' same as regular phenolic except if you drop it while you are workin' on it, me bucko, you don't have t' glue t' pieces back together. Arrr! Arrr! As usual, sand areas where epoxy will be applied. Ahoy! Lightly sand before painting, etc. , me bucko, etc. Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! , blah, ya bilge rat, blah, blah.

   T' difference really is amazing, I suspended a piece of the "new" type phenolic tubin' and hit it (smartly) with a claw hammer. Avast, me proud beauty! Aye aye! It did nay break. Ya scallywag! Avast! It did nay break. Aye aye! Aye aye! I hit it again. Aye aye! I hit it again. Nothing. Aye aye! Well, blow me down! With t' "standard" phenolic I would be pickin' up a pile of broken pieces. Arrr! Next, arrr, I did what any good engineer would do and bashed it against a tree. Arrr! No flyin' pieces! No visible damage. Begad! Ya scallywag! No visible damage. Aye aye! Avast! Weird! I was impressed. Begad! (Frankly, I suspect "alien technology. ")

   Red Arrow sells tubes which will fit LOC TM and PML TM nose cones. Well, blow me down! Blimey! They even offer their new phenolic in 5. Begad! Blimey! 5" diameter. Arrr! Blimey! Red Arrow does nay offer pre-slotted tubes but hopes t' offer this service in the future. Avast! Blimey! They also hope t' offer kits based on their new phenolic. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Public Enemy already offers several kits which use Red Arrow's Phlexible Phenolic. Begad! Blimey! Arrr! Blimey!

   If you are into phenolic, ya bilge rat, ya bilge rat, give this stuff a try. Begad! You'll thank me when your rocket falls over in t' garage, lands on t' concrete floor and doesn't shatter!

* SPECIAL NOTE off o' RMR from Andrew Waddell, PML Support Representative


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

T' followin' excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". T' intention is t' allow guests t' get a basic feelin' about a kit. Well, blow me down! We strongly suggest that you get a copy o' the referenced Sport Rocketry and read t' entire article. Avast, me proud beauty! Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. Arrr! Blimey! For more information, use t' two links above. Begad!



Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic
(Sport Rocketry - May/Jun 1998 - page 21 - by Thomas Beach) 

"I've always appreciated t' strength, stiffness, me hearties, moisture-resistance, me bucko, and finishing characteristics o' phenolic tubin' . Arrr! Well, me bucko, blow me down! . . Begad! But . Avast! . Blimey! Well, arrr, blow me down! . Avast, me proud beauty! Ahoy! it is brittle!"
"Red Arrow Hobbies has an answer . Aye aye! . Begad! . "Phlexible Phenolic" tubing. Aye aye! "
". . Avast! Well, blow me down! Blimey! . Aye aye! Blimey! available with inside diameters from 1. Begad! Blimey! 145" up t' 7. 512" . Blimey! . Begad! . Aye aye! Aye aye! Blimey! "
"Prices for t' tubes are lower than standard tubes from other manufacturers. "
"T' axial failure strengths are comparable . Aye aye! . Avast! Aye aye! . Blimey! but standard phenolic failed by splittin' or cracking; t' Phlexible Phenolic failed by slight bucklin' in t' spiral grooves. Avast, me proud beauty! "
"Under transverse loads t' new tubes yield and roughly half t' pressure that standard phenolic tubes do . . . Avast! Blimey! Blimey! "
". Ya scallywag! . Begad! Ya scallywag! . Aye aye! I did some o' me own testin' . Ahoy! Ahoy! . Begad! . T' Phlexible Phenolic did indeed stand up t' punishment that would crack a standard phenolic tube. Well, blow me down! "
"Of course, matey, if you hit it hard enough, arrr, you can smash t' tubes . . Well, blow me down! Well, blow me down! . "
"T' Phlexible Phenolic looks like a good product at a good price. "

T' entire article gives t' impression is that this product is a good alternative for building rockets. Ahoy!

Comments:

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D.S. (January 1, 2001)
I've never actually used this product but have heard only good reviews by those who have. However, I have used PML phenolic on 2 projects and found it to be a great airframe material. My note is to the guys at PML: Let the public determine the value of "phlexible phenolic." If it is no good, we'll find out. Meanwhile, you sell terrific materials and kits, please just let them stand on their own well-proven merits.

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