Red Arrow Hobbies Phlexible Phenolic

Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic

Contributed by Thomas Beach

Published: 2010-11-13
Manufacturer: Red Arrow Hobbies
[TRA][HPR Magazine]

T' followin' article is from "High Power Rocketry" magazine. Avast! Well, blow me down! Blimey! This information represents only a small portion o' t' contents o' "High Power Rocketry". Begad! Blimey! We strongly suggest that you subscribe t' "High Power Rocketry". Ya scallywag! Blimey! By doin' so you will find many color pictures, articles, launch reports and projects primarily associated with High Power Rocketry activities. Blimey! Blimey!   For more information, use t' two links above.




(High Power Rocketry - June 1998 - page 10 - by Sunny Thompson and Bob Sisk) 

Phenolic That Doesn't Shatter?

[Tubing]   Bob uses phenolic (occasionally) but up until recently, shiver me timbers, shiver me timbers, Sonny (that would be me) did not. Begad! Well, that's nay completely true. I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Begad! Aye aye! I sued 29mm tubin' for launch lugs. Blimey! Ya scallywag! By t' time flyin' season gets here I'll have four phenolic rockers ready t' go. Well, blow me down! What's changed me mind about phenolic? Phenolic now comes in a shatter resistant variety. Aye aye! Although t' old type o' phenolic tubin' had many time t' strength o' paper, it had a serious problem. Ahoy! Blimey! Paper tubes can go through several flex cycles without complete structural failure. Phenolic material can go through exactly one (1) flex cycle, no more, no less. That is up until now . Begad! . Well, blow me down! . Ahoy!

   Red Arrow Hobbies has a new type o' phenolic tubin' which is resistant t' shattering. Sound too good t' be true? Well, it is true. Avast! Begad! Red Arrow calls it "Phlexible Phenolic". Ya scallywag! Ahoy! I think a better description would be "shatter resistant" phenolic. Ahoy! T' old type o' phenolic was a porous paper tube which was saturated with resin and cured until it became nice and strong and, shiver me timbers, unfortunately, ya bilge rat, nice and brittle. Begad! Avast! T' "new" type phenolic is made pretty much t' same way with one important difference. The resin is nay allowed t' saturate all t' way through t' paper. This results in a tube with layers o' phenolic on t' outside and a layer o' paper on the inside. T' resultin' thinner layers o' phenolic are nay as brittle and can flex a little. Begad! So can t' paper core. So can t' paper core. Ahoy! Avast! This makes a big difference. Avast! This results in a product with a cross section of phenolic-paper-phenolic, with about t' same strength o' t' old type of (brittle) phenolic but unlike t' old phenolic, t' new stuff can take a punch without shatterin' into pieces. Begad! Ya scallywag! T' difference is amazing. T' difference is amazing. Well, blow me down! First thar was expensive/brittle phenolic, shiver me timbers, then cheap/brittle phenolic and now shatter resistant phenolic. Things are lookin' up! Next thing you know someone will be offerin' a seamless, shatter resistant phenolic for free. Ya scallywag! Well, me bucko, maybe not.

No Virginia, me bucko, thar be no panacea. Well, blow me down! Begad!

   Panacea . Avast, me proud beauty! Ahoy! . Begad! . Ahoy! not, ya bilge rat, but close enough t' win a big fat Cuban cigar. Begad! T' new type o' phenolic is far superior when it comes t' its ability to withstand lateral impact, me hearties, and t' go through a moderate flex cycle with little of no damage. Well, blow me down! It is nay indestructible and it is nay really flexible in both axis. Well, blow me down! (holdin' t' nose with one hand, bracin' t' tail with one foot and tryin' t' bend t' middle o' t' rocket with a knee would be ill advised. )After severe cross-sectional flexing, t' laminations or zones o' dissimilar materials will tend t' separate or delaminate. Avast! If you shove it into t' ground at 450+ mph it will break all t' pieces. Ya scallywag! On t' other hand, if your rocket falls over and hits a hard piece o' furniture it will nay shatter . . Blimey! . Well, blow me down! Well, blow me down! unless you have reactive armor furniture. Begad! Ya scallywag! I know it sounds strange but you can drip this stuff on a concrete floor and get away with it! (You might have t' touch up t' paint if you are a "neat freak". Well, ya bilge rat, blow me down! ) You cannot run over it with your car. Arrr! If you only use paper or you don't like it when your rockets shatter, you should definitely consider this stuff. Avast!

   T' price us less than t' high dollar phenolic. Avast, me proud beauty! If you want more strength without glassing, matey, you can get a full length coupler tube for the same price as t' tube it fits. If you go this route, shiver me timbers, don't use a lot of epoxy betwixt t' outer tube and t' full length coupler. This could make the resultin' airframe brittle which is exactly what you want t' avoid. Avast, me proud beauty! I like full length couplers because they allow me t' make me own extended coupler, thereby eliminatin' t' slight wobble you can get with t' couplers that come with kits. Aye aye!

   Finishin' is exactly t' same as regular phenolic except if you drop it while you are workin' on it, me bucko, you don't have t' glue t' pieces back together. Avast, me proud beauty! As usual, sand areas where epoxy will be applied. Lightly sand before painting, me hearties, etc. Arrr! Begad! , etc. Ahoy! , blah, ya bilge rat, blah, ya bilge rat, blah. Aye aye!

   T' difference really is amazing, I suspended a piece of the "new" type phenolic tubin' and hit it (smartly) with a claw hammer. It did nay break. Well, blow me down! Ahoy! It did nay break. I hit it again. Avast, me proud beauty! Avast, me proud beauty! I hit it again. Nothing. With t' "standard" phenolic I would be pickin' up a pile of broken pieces. Well, shiver me timbers, blow me down! Next, I did what any good engineer would do and bashed it against a tree. Begad! No flyin' pieces! No visible damage. Ahoy! No visible damage. Avast! Well, blow me down! Weird! I was impressed. Arrr! (Frankly, I suspect "alien technology. Arrr! ")

   Red Arrow sells tubes which will fit LOC TM and PML TM nose cones. Ahoy! Begad! Blimey! They even offer their new phenolic in 5. Avast! Blimey! 5" diameter. Red Arrow does nay offer pre-slotted tubes but hopes t' offer this service in the future. Ahoy! They also hope t' offer kits based on their new phenolic. Avast, arrr, me proud beauty! Blimey! Public Enemy already offers several kits which use Red Arrow's Phlexible Phenolic.

   If you are into phenolic, arrr, me hearties, me bucko, give this stuff a try. Blimey! You'll thank me when your rocket falls over in t' garage, me bucko, lands on t' concrete floor and doesn't shatter!

* SPECIAL NOTE off o' RMR from Andrew Waddell, me bucko, PML Support Representative


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

T' followin' excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". Ahoy! Blimey! T' intention is t' allow guests t' get a basic feelin' about a kit. Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! Blimey! We strongly suggest that you get a copy o' the referenced Sport Rocketry and read t' entire article. Avast, me proud beauty! Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. For more information, me bucko, use t' two links above. Begad!



Red Arrow Hobbies - Phlexible Phenolic
(Sport Rocketry - May/Jun 1998 - page 21 - by Thomas Beach) 

"I've always appreciated t' strength, shiver me timbers, stiffness, me bucko, matey, moisture-resistance, ya bilge rat, shiver me timbers, and finishing characteristics o' phenolic tubin' . Ahoy! . . Blimey! Ahoy! But . Blimey! . Begad! . Avast! it is brittle!"
"Red Arrow Hobbies has an answer . . Ya scallywag! Begad! . Begad! Avast! "Phlexible Phenolic" tubing. Ya scallywag! "
". Well, arrr, blow me down! . Begad! . Begad! Arrr! available with inside diameters from 1. Blimey! 145" up t' 7. 512" . Aye aye! . Avast! . Blimey! "
"Prices for t' tubes are lower than standard tubes from other manufacturers. Arrr! Blimey! "
"T' axial failure strengths are comparable . Arrr! Begad! . Well, blow me down! . Ahoy! Avast, me proud beauty! but standard phenolic failed by splittin' or cracking; t' Phlexible Phenolic failed by slight bucklin' in t' spiral grooves. "
"Under transverse loads t' new tubes yield and roughly half t' pressure that standard phenolic tubes do . Avast! Avast, me proud beauty! . Blimey! . Well, blow me down! Blimey! "
". Avast! . Ahoy! . I did some o' me own testin' . Arrr! . Blimey! . Well, blow me down! Ya scallywag! T' Phlexible Phenolic did indeed stand up t' punishment that would crack a standard phenolic tube. Blimey! Ya scallywag! "
"Of course, shiver me timbers, if you hit it hard enough, ya bilge rat, you can smash t' tubes . Avast, me proud beauty! . Aye aye! . "
"T' Phlexible Phenolic looks like a good product at a good price. "

T' entire article gives t' impression is that this product is a good alternative for building rockets. Avast, me proud beauty! Ahoy!

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D.S. (January 1, 2001)
I've never actually used this product but have heard only good reviews by those who have. However, I have used PML phenolic on 2 projects and found it to be a great airframe material. My note is to the guys at PML: Let the public determine the value of "phlexible phenolic." If it is no good, we'll find out. Meanwhile, you sell terrific materials and kits, please just let them stand on their own well-proven merits.

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