Estes Long Shot

Estes - Long Shot {Kit} (1980) [1987-1988]

Contributed by Dave Sutter

Manufacturer: Estes

 

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All around, me bucko, a very impressive model rocket, me hearties, ya bilge rat, probably still me favorite. Ya scallywag! It's sheer size gets attention. Avast, arrr, me proud beauty! My orange/yellow/orange paint scheme gets attention. Ya scallywag! And when that second stage lights, it really gets attention... Well, blow me down! if it lights, shiver me timbers, matey, that is.

Construction was, as I recall, me hearties, simple and straightforward, shiver me timbers, despite bein' only me second rocket. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Sure, it's big and it's a two-stager, but thar's no construction magic in that. With t' fins bein' one-piece plastic fin units with built-in launch lugs, about all you have t' do is build t' motor mounts and shock cord mounts, and then assemble t' all t' pieces you see. Very easy and very straightforward.

Bein' only t' second rocket I ever built, I was extremely excited t' launch it that first day. Begad! I was a bit nervous about that 48" crepe paper streamer givin' a slow enough descent, me bucko, matey, so I bought an Estes plastic 18" hexagonal parasheet. Avast, me proud beauty! Well, blow me down!  Sent it up a couple times single-stage on t' 18" parachute. Well, blow me down! Sent it up 2-stage, and WOW! It was simply awesome. Ya scallywag! A great flight, but it drifted quite a bit on t' 18" chute, so I attached t' streamer for t' next two-stage flight. Begad! Up it goes, me hearties, but t' booster engine fails t' ignite t' upper stage, which, ya bilge rat, o' course means no attempt be made t' eject t' streamer, ya bilge rat, so t' rocket streamlined down. Avast, me proud beauty! . Ya scallywag! . Avast, me proud beauty! PRANG! I'd like t' say it was a lawn dart, but it hit pavement! Damn, ya bilge rat, t' nose cone pushed back, me hearties, me hearties, shiver me timbers, shreddin' t' top 12" o' body tube, and t' weight o' t' engines and fins etc. Well, blow me down! (the booster stage never separated) cause t' body t' crumple about 8" forward o' t' upper stage fin unit.

This stagin' failure be caused by t' booster motor ejectin' from t' booster before it could ignite t' upper stage engine. I recall that me wife (who had t' job o' watchin' t' booster) was worried that I'd be upset because all she could find be t' booster motor, me bucko, and nay t' booster. Begad! (In retrospect, arrr, I can't believe that she be able t' find t' engine casing. Begad! Aye aye! . Aye aye! Begad! . Ahoy! )T' booster was still attached t' t' upper stage (a. k. Ya scallywag! Well, ya bilge rat, blow me down! a. sustainer). Aye aye! I didn't know much about stagin' at this point, but it was obvious even then that I didn't want t' booster engine t' eject backwards out o' t' booster, matey, I wanted t' booster t' separate from t' sustainer. Arrr! If you haven't built t' rocket yet, arrr, t' obvious fix is t' simply add a normal motor hook t' t' booster. Havin' already built mine, however, arrr, I required a different solution. Ahoy! I ended up makin' this bizarre contraption o' bent-up paper clips t' retain t' booster motor. Ahoy! It starts with a rin' around t' booster body, just above t' fins. Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! Attached t' this are two U-shaped pieces. T' tops o' t' U's are hooked t' t' ring, and t' bottom o' t' U's fit snugly under t' motor casin' when it's installed in t' booster. Well, ya bilge rat, blow me down! T' help hold t' U's in place, thar are two cross members down near t' engine, me bucko, me hearties, though I'm nay sure how necessary they are. There's enough play so that t' U's can just be slid sideways t' allow insertion or removal o' t' engine. Begad! It's dirt cheap, ya bilge rat, and it works beautifully (never had a booster motor eject since), ya bilge rat, but it isn't much t' look at. I've never made another one for any other rocket because it would probably maul a balsa wood fin pretty badly, and it might nay line up right with three fins instead o' four. I'll try t' put a picture o' it here soon.

[Rocket Pic]Well, arrr, me hearties, shiver me timbers, despite t' major destruction, I managed t' rebuild it (albeit 14" shorter). Begad! Made sure it was still stable and went out t' try again, this time at a club launch. Arrr! Worked just fine single stage. Avast! Begad! Time t' try it 2-stage again. Well, blow me down! Up it goes, t' booster burns through and separates. Begad! Well, matey, blow me down! . Ahoy! Arrr! . Avast, me proud beauty! Ya scallywag! but again, shiver me timbers, no upper stage ignition. Aye aye! LAWN DART! Sunk t' nose cone about 3" into t' ground, and ripped up a lot more body tube. Avast! Only difference this time is that I got some good advice from t' nice folks in t' GSSS club. Avast! Ya scallywag! Get yourself a newer edition (the 6th edition be t' newest as o' Feb 1998) o' G. Harry Stine's Handbook o' Model Rocketry. This book has a whole chapter devoted t' staging. Consider a short stuffer tube t' direct t' flamin' bits o' propellant more directly at t' upper stage engine. Ahoy! In retrospect, me bucko, t' stuffer tube is probably nay necessary, since t' distance betwixt t' two engines is rather small. Arrr! Well, matey, blow me down! But without question, DRILL SOME VENT HOLES!

[Rocket Pic]Well, now it was just too short. Begad! Blimey! Had t' buy some BT-56 body tubes and couplers t' add 18" o' new tube. Well, blow me down! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! I made a stuffer tube out o' a piece o' an expended D motor, shiver me timbers, and drilled two 3/16" vent holes, one on each side o' t' booster, up near where t' bottom o' t' upper stage engine would be when its all put together. Well, blow me down! Blimey! Begad! Blimey! It has since been flown no less than 6 times in 2-stage configuration, and t' upper stage has lit every single time!

One side note, matey, though. . Begad! . Arrr! on that second prang, matey, t' upper stage engine was completely blackened by t' burn-through o' t' booster. Well, blow me down! It really should have ignited. Aye aye! Blimey! Knowin' more now, I'm convinced that that engine was faulty, in that t' clay o' t' nozzle completely covered t' propellant, which is why it didn't ignite. Aye aye! I've seen this situation in one other engine (which was so bad it wouldn't even ignite directly from an igniter), ya bilge rat, and others on rec. Blimey! Blimey! models. Ahoy! Begad! Blimey! rockets have seen it, me bucko, too. Ahoy! Ya scallywag! Blimey! So, a word t' t' wise: always scrape t' nozzle o' your upper stage engines t' expose fresh propellant. Blimey! Ahoy! Blimey! I use a small eyeglasses-type screwdriver for this purpose.

There are a few other hints that I can think o' regardin' this rocket. Although I haven't experienced this problem myself, others have complained that this rocket has a tendency t' crimp or buckle t' body tube just above t' top o' t' plastic fin unit on t' upper stage (a. k. Aye aye! a. Begad! sustainer). Ahoy! There are a couple o' ways t' improve your chances o' nay havin' this problem. Ya scallywag! Perhaps t' easiest is t' buy a BT-56 tube coupler, me hearties, me bucko, and glue that in so that it reinforces this area. Begad! Aye aye! Just make sure that it won't interfere with your engine mount. Aye aye! Begad! O' course, arrr, ya bilge rat, this is really only practical if you decide t' do it before you start construction. Avast! Ya scallywag! T' other way t' help avoid bucklin' t' body tube is t' soak that part o' t' rocket in thin CA (cyanoacrylate) glue.

Another tip related t' longevity, is t' coat t' inside o' t' top o' t' booster with glue. Avast! When stagin' occurs, ya bilge rat, matey, t' booster engine blows a bunch o' burnin' propellant forward into this area, and then t' upper stage ignites and blows hot exhaust backwards into this area. Arrr! This can cause t' paper tube coupler t' char pretty badly, especially after many stagings. I coated all t' inside surface o' t' top o' me booster with a thin coat o' t' regular yellow wood glue. Blimey! A thin coat o' epoxy would probably protect it better, matey, and nay be as susceptible t' t' heat, me hearties, but I didn't have epoxy then. Well, blow me down! And besides, me bucko, ya bilge rat, mine has stood up remarkably well, so I can still recommend yellow glue for this application.

About t' only other complaint that I've heard from other people who've flown this rocket, is that t' supplied recovery device, matey, a 48" long crepe paper streamer, matey, is insufficient. Arrr! Begad! Some people have even broken fins on landin' on grass, matey, me bucko, which is surprising, given that it's a reasonably sturdy, me bucko, one-piece plastic fin unit. Avast, me proud beauty! Aye aye! Regardless, ya bilge rat, I would agree that it comes down rather fast on t' streamer. Begad! One possible alternative is t' simply add another streamer, or make a significantly larger streamer (or both). Begad! Well, blow me down! However, me hearties, me hearties, I've settled on usin' a standard Estes 12" plastic parachute with t' spill hole (a. Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! Blimey! k. Blimey! a. Arrr! Blimey! peak vent hole) cut out. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! See that blue dotted line that forms about a 2" hole in t' middle? Cut that out. Ahoy! Avast! Blimey! With this chute, t' Long Shot comes down soft enough t' avoid significant landin' damage, but doesn't drift into t' next area code on two-stage flights (as an 18" parachute would do).

Despite me problems gettin' t' second stage t' ignite (or perhaps because o' them), I have become fascinated with staging. Arrr! As you may have noticed, me hearties, several o' me rockets are staged. Well, blow me down! Well, blow me down! I really like this rocket. Well, matey, blow me down! I feel so proud every time that upper stage lights. . Ahoy! Ya scallywag! .

Update on 1997 Oct 12. Avast! Ya scallywag! Blimey! . Begad! . I lost t' upper stage o' this rocket. Begad! Arrr! Blimey! :-( T' booster portion went fine, with a slight arc. Avast, me proud beauty! T' upper stage ignited successfully, me hearties, me hearties, me bucko, and continued that arc. Begad! Ahoy! Blimey! T' sustainer was painted yellow and orange, matey, and it was headin' right into t' sunset, so we lost sight o' it. I heard t' ejection charge pop, but neither me wife nor I ever saw t' upper stage again.

Update on 1997 Oct 19. Begad! Arrr! Blimey! . Ya scallywag! . Ya scallywag! I have essentially re-built t' upper stage. Blimey! It's all from scratch, me bucko, with balsa fins and and Estes parts (body tubes, motor mount, arrr, shiver me timbers, arrr, and nose cone). Blimey! Other than usin' balsa for t' fins, matey, thar's really nay much that I changed in t' construction, I really liked it t' way it was. Avast, me proud beauty! Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! About t' only other thin' that I changed be that instead o' t' orange and yellow paint on t' old one, t' new one is a pretty cool-lookin' blue and yellow.

Description: A long 2 staged rocket, with a D powered booster and a B or C powered sustainer
Purpose: My first multi-staged rocket. Blimey! Also me first big rocket.
Motors: Single Stage: C5-3, matey, me bucko, C6-3
Two Stage, matey, arrr, Booster: D12-0
Two Stage, ya bilge rat, Upper Stage: B6-6, shiver me timbers, C6-7
Max Altitude: Single Stage: C5-3: 300ft(91m)
Single Stage: C6-3: 275ft(84m)
Two Stage: D12-0/B6-6: 700ft (212m)
Two Stage: D12-0/C6-7: 1000ft (305m) ... Ahoy! at least, shiver me timbers, that's what it says on t' inside, me hearties, although t' outside o' t' box claims 1300ft max altitude, arrr, matey, which, shiver me timbers, t' be honest, seems more likely. Ahoy! It definitely goes higher than me models that claim t' go t' 1000ft.
Length: 46"
Diameter: 1.35" (BT-56)
Weight: 5.7oz
Recovery: Comes with a 2"x48" red crepe paper streamer.
I've had much better results with a 12" Estes parachute, with t' spill hole cut out.
Nose Cone: 4" Ogive, plastic
Payload: None
Fins: Booster: 4, me bucko, plastic fin unit
Sustainer: 4, matey, me hearties, plastic fin unit
Notes: Requires (3) 1x2 squares o' wadding, so I prefer t' use me Nomex® HeatShield from Pratt Hobbies (which I highly recommend).
Skill Level: 2
Part Number: 2128
Price: 19.99

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