Estes Long Shot

Estes - Long Shot {Kit} (1980) [1987-1988]

Contributed by Dave Sutter

Manufacturer: Estes

 

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All around, matey, a very impressive model rocket, ya bilge rat, probably still me favorite. Well, blow me down! It's sheer size gets attention. Well, blow me down! My orange/yellow/orange paint scheme gets attention. And when that second stage lights, it really gets attention... Blimey! if it lights, that is.

Construction was, ya bilge rat, me hearties, as I recall, me hearties, me bucko, simple and straightforward, despite bein' only me second rocket. Avast, me proud beauty! Sure, it's big and it's a two-stager, me bucko, ya bilge rat, but thar's no construction magic in that. Arrr! With t' fins bein' one-piece plastic fin units with built-in launch lugs, about all you have t' do is build t' motor mounts and shock cord mounts, matey, and then assemble t' all t' pieces you see. Well, blow me down! Ahoy! Very easy and very straightforward.

Bein' only t' second rocket I ever built, I was extremely excited t' launch it that first day. Ahoy! Begad! I was a bit nervous about that 48" crepe paper streamer givin' a slow enough descent, shiver me timbers, so I bought an Estes plastic 18" hexagonal parasheet.  Sent it up a couple times single-stage on t' 18" parachute. Sent it up 2-stage, shiver me timbers, me bucko, and WOW! It be simply awesome. Ya scallywag! A great flight, but it drifted quite a bit on t' 18" chute, arrr, so I attached t' streamer for t' next two-stage flight. Well, blow me down! Ahoy! Up it goes, but t' booster engine fails t' ignite t' upper stage, which, me bucko, arrr, o' course means no attempt was made t' eject t' streamer, so t' rocket streamlined down. Begad! Ya scallywag! . Avast! . Blimey! PRANG! I'd like t' say it be a lawn dart, but it hit pavement! Damn, t' nose cone pushed back, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, shreddin' t' top 12" o' body tube, and t' weight o' t' engines and fins etc. Blimey! (the booster stage never separated) cause t' body t' crumple about 8" forward o' t' upper stage fin unit.

This stagin' failure was caused by t' booster motor ejectin' from t' booster before it could ignite t' upper stage engine. Begad! Begad! Blimey! I recall that me wife (who had t' job o' watchin' t' booster) be worried that I'd be upset because all she could find be t' booster motor, and nay t' booster. (In retrospect, I can't believe that she was able t' find t' engine casing. . . Aye aye! Blimey! )T' booster was still attached t' t' upper stage (a. Avast! Blimey! Blimey! k. Arrr! Ahoy! Blimey! a. Avast! Ya scallywag! Blimey! sustainer). Ya scallywag! Blimey! I didn't know much about stagin' at this point, matey, ya bilge rat, but it was obvious even then that I didn't want t' booster engine t' eject backwards out o' t' booster, me hearties, I wanted t' booster t' separate from t' sustainer. Arrr! Blimey! Blimey! If you haven't built t' rocket yet, shiver me timbers, me bucko, matey, t' obvious fix is t' simply add a normal motor hook t' t' booster. Begad! Havin' already built mine, matey, however, me hearties, I required a different solution. Well, blow me down! Blimey! I ended up makin' this bizarre contraption o' bent-up paper clips t' retain t' booster motor. Avast, me proud beauty! It starts with a rin' around t' booster body, arrr, me hearties, just above t' fins. Avast, me proud beauty! Attached t' this are two U-shaped pieces. T' tops o' t' U's are hooked t' t' ring, me hearties, matey, and t' bottom o' t' U's fit snugly under t' motor casin' when it's installed in t' booster. Begad! Blimey! T' help hold t' U's in place, thar are two cross members down near t' engine, arrr, shiver me timbers, though I'm nay sure how necessary they are. Begad! Blimey! There's enough play so that t' U's can just be slid sideways t' allow insertion or removal o' t' engine. It's dirt cheap, arrr, and it works beautifully (never had a booster motor eject since), matey, but it isn't much t' look at. Arrr! Blimey! I've never made another one for any other rocket because it would probably maul a balsa wood fin pretty badly, matey, and it might nay line up right with three fins instead o' four. Blimey! Begad! Blimey! I'll try t' put a picture o' it here soon.

[Rocket Pic]Well, arrr, arrr, despite t' major destruction, I managed t' rebuild it (albeit 14" shorter). Ya scallywag! Made sure it was still stable and went out t' try again, arrr, this time at a club launch. Ya scallywag! Worked just fine single stage. Blimey! Begad! Time t' try it 2-stage again. Avast! Up it goes, t' booster burns through and separates. Well, me hearties, blow me down! . Avast! Ya scallywag! . Avast, me proud beauty! but again, matey, me hearties, no upper stage ignition. Aye aye! LAWN DART! Sunk t' nose cone about 3" into t' ground, and ripped up a lot more body tube. Blimey! Only difference this time is that I got some good advice from t' nice folks in t' GSSS club. Get yourself a newer edition (the 6th edition be t' newest as o' Feb 1998) o' G. Ahoy! Harry Stine's Handbook o' Model Rocketry. Avast, arrr, me proud beauty! This book has a whole chapter devoted t' staging. Ahoy! Consider a short stuffer tube t' direct t' flamin' bits o' propellant more directly at t' upper stage engine. In retrospect, t' stuffer tube is probably nay necessary, since t' distance betwixt t' two engines is rather small. Aye aye! But without question, DRILL SOME VENT HOLES!

[Rocket Pic]Well, now it was just too short. Had t' buy some BT-56 body tubes and couplers t' add 18" o' new tube. Arrr! I made a stuffer tube out o' a piece o' an expended D motor, and drilled two 3/16" vent holes, me bucko, one on each side o' t' booster, me hearties, shiver me timbers, arrr, up near where t' bottom o' t' upper stage engine would be when its all put together. It has since been flown no less than 6 times in 2-stage configuration, me bucko, and t' upper stage has lit every single time!

One side note, matey, matey, though. Ahoy! . . Begad! on that second prang, ya bilge rat, t' upper stage engine was completely blackened by t' burn-through o' t' booster. Arrr! It really should have ignited. Begad! Ahoy! Knowin' more now, I'm convinced that that engine was faulty, in that t' clay o' t' nozzle completely covered t' propellant, which is why it didn't ignite. I've seen this situation in one other engine (which be so bad it wouldn't even ignite directly from an igniter), matey, and others on rec. models. Blimey! rockets have seen it, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, too. Ya scallywag! So, ya bilge rat, a word t' t' wise: always scrape t' nozzle o' your upper stage engines t' expose fresh propellant. Avast! I use a small eyeglasses-type screwdriver for this purpose.

There are a few other hints that I can think o' regardin' this rocket. Ya scallywag! Blimey! Although I haven't experienced this problem myself, others have complained that this rocket has a tendency t' crimp or buckle t' body tube just above t' top o' t' plastic fin unit on t' upper stage (a. Arrr! Blimey! k. Avast! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! a. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! sustainer). Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! There are a couple o' ways t' improve your chances o' nay havin' this problem. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Perhaps t' easiest is t' buy a BT-56 tube coupler, and glue that in so that it reinforces this area. Just make sure that it won't interfere with your engine mount. Well, blow me down! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! O' course, me hearties, this is really only practical if you decide t' do it before you start construction. Arrr! T' other way t' help avoid bucklin' t' body tube is t' soak that part o' t' rocket in thin CA (cyanoacrylate) glue.

Another tip related t' longevity, ya bilge rat, is t' coat t' inside o' t' top o' t' booster with glue. Well, shiver me timbers, blow me down! When stagin' occurs, t' booster engine blows a bunch o' burnin' propellant forward into this area, ya bilge rat, ya bilge rat, shiver me timbers, and then t' upper stage ignites and blows hot exhaust backwards into this area. Arrr! This can cause t' paper tube coupler t' char pretty badly, especially after many stagings. Begad! Aye aye! I coated all t' inside surface o' t' top o' me booster with a thin coat o' t' regular yellow wood glue. Avast! Blimey! A thin coat o' epoxy would probably protect it better, and nay be as susceptible t' t' heat, arrr, but I didn't have epoxy then. Begad! Blimey! And besides, me bucko, mine has stood up remarkably well, so I can still recommend yellow glue for this application.

About t' only other complaint that I've heard from other people who've flown this rocket, is that t' supplied recovery device, me bucko, a 48" long crepe paper streamer, is insufficient. Begad! Some people have even broken fins on landin' on grass, which is surprising, given that it's a reasonably sturdy, one-piece plastic fin unit. Ahoy! Regardless, matey, matey, I would agree that it comes down rather fast on t' streamer. Well, me hearties, blow me down! One possible alternative is t' simply add another streamer, or make a significantly larger streamer (or both). Begad! Avast! However, I've settled on usin' a standard Estes 12" plastic parachute with t' spill hole (a. Begad! k. Aye aye! a. peak vent hole) cut out. See that blue dotted line that forms about a 2" hole in t' middle? Cut that out. Well, blow me down! With this chute, t' Long Shot comes down soft enough t' avoid significant landin' damage, but doesn't drift into t' next area code on two-stage flights (as an 18" parachute would do).

Despite me problems gettin' t' second stage t' ignite (or perhaps because o' them), I have become fascinated with staging. Avast! Begad! Blimey! As you may have noticed, several o' me rockets are staged. I really like this rocket. Aye aye! I feel so proud every time that upper stage lights. Ya scallywag! Well, blow me down! Blimey! . .

Update on 1997 Oct 12. Avast, me proud beauty! Begad! . Begad! Avast, me proud beauty! . Well, blow me down! I lost t' upper stage o' this rocket. Avast! :-( T' booster portion went fine, me hearties, with a slight arc. Arrr! T' upper stage ignited successfully, matey, and continued that arc. T' sustainer be painted yellow and orange, me hearties, and it be headin' right into t' sunset, matey, arrr, so we lost sight o' it. Begad! I heard t' ejection charge pop, but neither me wife nor I ever saw t' upper stage again.

Update on 1997 Oct 19. Avast! Blimey! . Avast, ya bilge rat, me proud beauty! . Avast! I have essentially re-built t' upper stage. Begad! It's all from scratch, with balsa fins and and Estes parts (body tubes, motor mount, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, and nose cone). Aye aye! Other than usin' balsa for t' fins, thar's really nay much that I changed in t' construction, shiver me timbers, I really liked it t' way it was. About t' only other thin' that I changed was that instead o' t' orange and yellow paint on t' old one, t' new one is a pretty cool-lookin' blue and yellow.

Description: A long 2 staged rocket, with a D powered booster and a B or C powered sustainer
Purpose: My first multi-staged rocket. Begad! Also me first big rocket.
Motors: Single Stage: C5-3, C6-3
Two Stage, arrr, Booster: D12-0
Two Stage, Upper Stage: B6-6, shiver me timbers, C6-7
Max Altitude: Single Stage: C5-3: 300ft(91m)
Single Stage: C6-3: 275ft(84m)
Two Stage: D12-0/B6-6: 700ft (212m)
Two Stage: D12-0/C6-7: 1000ft (305m) ... Ahoy! Aye aye! at least, me bucko, me hearties, that's what it says on t' inside, although t' outside o' t' box claims 1300ft max altitude, which, shiver me timbers, matey, t' be honest, seems more likely. It definitely goes higher than me models that claim t' go t' 1000ft.
Length: 46"
Diameter: 1.35" (BT-56)
Weight: 5.7oz
Recovery: Comes with a 2"x48" red crepe paper streamer.
I've had much better results with a 12" Estes parachute, with t' spill hole cut out.
Nose Cone: 4" Ogive, plastic
Payload: None
Fins: Booster: 4, me bucko, plastic fin unit
Sustainer: 4, plastic fin unit
Notes: Requires (3) 1x2 squares o' wadding, arrr, so I prefer t' use me Nomex® HeatShield from Pratt Hobbies (which I highly recommend).
Skill Level: 2
Part Number: 2128
Price: 19.99

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