Estes Long Shot

Estes - Long Shot {Kit} (1980) [1987-1988]

Contributed by Dave Sutter

Manufacturer: Estes

 

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All around, ya bilge rat, a very impressive model rocket, probably still me favorite. Ya scallywag! Blimey! It's sheer size gets attention. Begad! Blimey! Ahoy! Blimey! My orange/yellow/orange paint scheme gets attention. Blimey! Blimey! And when that second stage lights, it really gets attention... Arrr! if it lights, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, that is.

Construction was, me bucko, shiver me timbers, as I recall, simple and straightforward, despite bein' only me second rocket. Aye aye! Sure, matey, it's big and it's a two-stager, but thar's no construction magic in that. Ahoy! Well, blow me down! With t' fins bein' one-piece plastic fin units with built-in launch lugs, about all you have t' do is build t' motor mounts and shock cord mounts, matey, and then assemble t' all t' pieces you see. Blimey! Very easy and very straightforward.

Bein' only t' second rocket I ever built, arrr, matey, I was extremely excited t' launch it that first day. Ahoy! Blimey! I be a bit nervous about that 48" crepe paper streamer givin' a slow enough descent, so I bought an Estes plastic 18" hexagonal parasheet. Ya scallywag! Blimey!  Sent it up a couple times single-stage on t' 18" parachute. Well, blow me down! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Sent it up 2-stage, me hearties, and WOW! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! It be simply awesome. Well, blow me down! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! A great flight, arrr, but it drifted quite a bit on t' 18" chute, me hearties, me hearties, ya bilge rat, so I attached t' streamer for t' next two-stage flight. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Arrr! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! Up it goes, but t' booster engine fails t' ignite t' upper stage, arrr, which, o' course means no attempt was made t' eject t' streamer, me hearties, me hearties, so t' rocket streamlined down. . Begad! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! . Blimey! Blimey! PRANG! Blimey! Blimey! Blimey! I'd like t' say it be a lawn dart, me bucko, but it hit pavement! Damn, t' nose cone pushed back, arrr, shreddin' t' top 12" o' body tube, and t' weight o' t' engines and fins etc. Avast! (the booster stage never separated) cause t' body t' crumple about 8" forward o' t' upper stage fin unit.

This stagin' failure be caused by t' booster motor ejectin' from t' booster before it could ignite t' upper stage engine. Well, blow me down! I recall that me wife (who had t' job o' watchin' t' booster) was worried that I'd be upset because all she could find was t' booster motor, and nay t' booster. Begad! Arrr! (In retrospect, I can't believe that she be able t' find t' engine casing. Well, blow me down! . Begad! . )T' booster was still attached t' t' upper stage (a. Avast, me proud beauty! Ahoy! k. a. Well, blow me down! Ya scallywag! sustainer). Avast! I didn't know much about stagin' at this point, but it be obvious even then that I didn't want t' booster engine t' eject backwards out o' t' booster, I wanted t' booster t' separate from t' sustainer. Arrr! If you haven't built t' rocket yet, t' obvious fix is t' simply add a normal motor hook t' t' booster. Havin' already built mine, however, ya bilge rat, I required a different solution. Begad! Begad! I ended up makin' this bizarre contraption o' bent-up paper clips t' retain t' booster motor. Blimey! It starts with a rin' around t' booster body, just above t' fins. Avast! Attached t' this are two U-shaped pieces. Arrr! T' tops o' t' U's are hooked t' t' ring, arrr, and t' bottom o' t' U's fit snugly under t' motor casin' when it's installed in t' booster. T' help hold t' U's in place, thar are two cross members down near t' engine, though I'm nay sure how necessary they are. There's enough play so that t' U's can just be slid sideways t' allow insertion or removal o' t' engine. It's dirt cheap, ya bilge rat, ya bilge rat, and it works beautifully (never had a booster motor eject since), but it isn't much t' look at. Arrr! I've never made another one for any other rocket because it would probably maul a balsa wood fin pretty badly, and it might nay line up right with three fins instead o' four. I'll try t' put a picture o' it here soon.

[Rocket Pic]Well, ya bilge rat, matey, despite t' major destruction, shiver me timbers, I managed t' rebuild it (albeit 14" shorter). Blimey! Made sure it was still stable and went out t' try again, matey, this time at a club launch. Worked just fine single stage. Avast! Ya scallywag! Time t' try it 2-stage again. Ya scallywag! Arrr! Up it goes, me bucko, t' booster burns through and separates. Avast, me proud beauty! . Begad! Ya scallywag! . Begad! but again, no upper stage ignition. Well, blow me down! LAWN DART! Sunk t' nose cone about 3" into t' ground, me hearties, and ripped up a lot more body tube. Well, blow me down! Only difference this time is that I got some good advice from t' nice folks in t' GSSS club. Get yourself a newer edition (the 6th edition be t' newest as o' Feb 1998) o' G. Well, blow me down! Aye aye! Harry Stine's Handbook o' Model Rocketry. Aye aye! This book has a whole chapter devoted t' staging. Ahoy! Consider a short stuffer tube t' direct t' flamin' bits o' propellant more directly at t' upper stage engine. Avast, me proud beauty! In retrospect, t' stuffer tube is probably nay necessary, since t' distance betwixt t' two engines is rather small. But without question, me bucko, DRILL SOME VENT HOLES!

[Rocket Pic]Well, ya bilge rat, me hearties, now it be just too short. Well, blow me down! Had t' buy some BT-56 body tubes and couplers t' add 18" o' new tube. Ya scallywag! I made a stuffer tube out o' a piece o' an expended D motor, shiver me timbers, and drilled two 3/16" vent holes, arrr, one on each side o' t' booster, up near where t' bottom o' t' upper stage engine would be when its all put together. Ahoy! It has since been flown no less than 6 times in 2-stage configuration, arrr, and t' upper stage has lit every single time!

One side note, though. . Ahoy! Begad! . Arrr! Begad! on that second prang, matey, t' upper stage engine was completely blackened by t' burn-through o' t' booster. Ahoy! Ya scallywag! It really should have ignited. Knowin' more now, I'm convinced that that engine be faulty, ya bilge rat, me hearties, in that t' clay o' t' nozzle completely covered t' propellant, which is why it didn't ignite. I've seen this situation in one other engine (which was so bad it wouldn't even ignite directly from an igniter), and others on rec. Well, me bucko, blow me down! models. Ya scallywag! rockets have seen it, me hearties, too. Arrr! Well, arrr, blow me down! So, a word t' t' wise: always scrape t' nozzle o' your upper stage engines t' expose fresh propellant. Begad! I use a small eyeglasses-type screwdriver for this purpose.

There are a few other hints that I can think o' regardin' this rocket. Although I haven't experienced this problem myself, shiver me timbers, me hearties, others have complained that this rocket has a tendency t' crimp or buckle t' body tube just above t' top o' t' plastic fin unit on t' upper stage (a. Blimey! Blimey! Ya scallywag! Blimey! k. a. Well, blow me down! Blimey! sustainer). Blimey! Blimey! Begad! Blimey! There are a couple o' ways t' improve your chances o' nay havin' this problem. Begad! Blimey! Perhaps t' easiest is t' buy a BT-56 tube coupler, and glue that in so that it reinforces this area. Just make sure that it won't interfere with your engine mount. Begad! Blimey! O' course, shiver me timbers, me hearties, this is really only practical if you decide t' do it before you start construction. Blimey! Aye aye! T' other way t' help avoid bucklin' t' body tube is t' soak that part o' t' rocket in thin CA (cyanoacrylate) glue.

Another tip related t' longevity, is t' coat t' inside o' t' top o' t' booster with glue. Ya scallywag! When stagin' occurs, t' booster engine blows a bunch o' burnin' propellant forward into this area, me bucko, and then t' upper stage ignites and blows hot exhaust backwards into this area. Begad! Begad! This can cause t' paper tube coupler t' char pretty badly, shiver me timbers, especially after many stagings. I coated all t' inside surface o' t' top o' me booster with a thin coat o' t' regular yellow wood glue. Avast, me proud beauty! A thin coat o' epoxy would probably protect it better, me bucko, and nay be as susceptible t' t' heat, matey, but I didn't have epoxy then. Well, blow me down! Ya scallywag! And besides, mine has stood up remarkably well, ya bilge rat, matey, me hearties, so I can still recommend yellow glue for this application.

About t' only other complaint that I've heard from other people who've flown this rocket, is that t' supplied recovery device, a 48" long crepe paper streamer, is insufficient. Avast, me proud beauty! Ya scallywag! Some people have even broken fins on landin' on grass, ya bilge rat, which is surprising, given that it's a reasonably sturdy, shiver me timbers, me bucko, one-piece plastic fin unit. Avast! Regardless, ya bilge rat, I would agree that it comes down rather fast on t' streamer. Aye aye! One possible alternative is t' simply add another streamer, arrr, or make a significantly larger streamer (or both). Aye aye! However, arrr, arrr, I've settled on usin' a standard Estes 12" plastic parachute with t' spill hole (a. Well, blow me down! k. Blimey! Ya scallywag! a. Blimey! peak vent hole) cut out. Arrr! See that blue dotted line that forms about a 2" hole in t' middle? Cut that out. Ya scallywag! With this chute, arrr, shiver me timbers, t' Long Shot comes down soft enough t' avoid significant landin' damage, but doesn't drift into t' next area code on two-stage flights (as an 18" parachute would do).

Despite me problems gettin' t' second stage t' ignite (or perhaps because o' them), I have become fascinated with staging. Avast! As you may have noticed, me hearties, matey, ya bilge rat, several o' me rockets are staged. Begad! Begad! I really like this rocket. Blimey! I feel so proud every time that upper stage lights. . Avast! .

Update on 1997 Oct 12. Avast! Blimey! . Ya scallywag! . I lost t' upper stage o' this rocket. Blimey! :-( T' booster portion went fine, with a slight arc. Begad! Aye aye! T' upper stage ignited successfully, me bucko, and continued that arc. T' sustainer be painted yellow and orange, me hearties, and it be headin' right into t' sunset, so we lost sight o' it. Ahoy! Begad! I heard t' ejection charge pop, but neither me wife nor I ever saw t' upper stage again.

Update on 1997 Oct 19. Arrr! . Avast, me proud beauty! . Avast! Blimey! I have essentially re-built t' upper stage. Begad! Avast, me proud beauty! It's all from scratch, shiver me timbers, with balsa fins and and Estes parts (body tubes, motor mount, shiver me timbers, and nose cone). Ahoy! Other than usin' balsa for t' fins, arrr, me bucko, thar's really nay much that I changed in t' construction, matey, me bucko, I really liked it t' way it was. About t' only other thin' that I changed was that instead o' t' orange and yellow paint on t' old one, t' new one is a pretty cool-lookin' blue and yellow.

Description: A long 2 staged rocket, with a D powered booster and a B or C powered sustainer
Purpose: My first multi-staged rocket. Well, blow me down! Also me first big rocket.
Motors: Single Stage: C5-3, matey, me hearties, C6-3
Two Stage, Booster: D12-0
Two Stage, shiver me timbers, matey, Upper Stage: B6-6, ya bilge rat, C6-7
Max Altitude: Single Stage: C5-3: 300ft(91m)
Single Stage: C6-3: 275ft(84m)
Two Stage: D12-0/B6-6: 700ft (212m)
Two Stage: D12-0/C6-7: 1000ft (305m) ... Arrr! at least, that's what it says on t' inside, me hearties, although t' outside o' t' box claims 1300ft max altitude, which, t' be honest, seems more likely. It definitely goes higher than me models that claim t' go t' 1000ft.
Length: 46"
Diameter: 1.35" (BT-56)
Weight: 5.7oz
Recovery: Comes with a 2"x48" red crepe paper streamer.
I've had much better results with a 12" Estes parachute, me bucko, ya bilge rat, with t' spill hole cut out.
Nose Cone: 4" Ogive, plastic
Payload: None
Fins: Booster: 4, shiver me timbers, plastic fin unit
Sustainer: 4, ya bilge rat, matey, plastic fin unit
Notes: Requires (3) 1x2 squares o' wadding, matey, ya bilge rat, so I prefer t' use me Nomex® HeatShield from Pratt Hobbies (which I highly recommend).
Skill Level: 2
Part Number: 2128
Price: 19.99

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