Estes Long Shot

Estes - Long Shot {Kit} (1980) [1987-1988]

Contributed by Dave Sutter

Manufacturer: Estes

 

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All around, a very impressive model rocket, probably still me favorite. Ya scallywag! Avast, me hearties, me proud beauty! It's sheer size gets attention. My orange/yellow/orange paint scheme gets attention. And when that second stage lights, ya bilge rat, matey, it really gets attention... Begad! Avast! if it lights, arrr, that is.

Construction was, as I recall, me bucko, simple and straightforward, me hearties, despite bein' only me second rocket. Ya scallywag! Sure, it's big and it's a two-stager, but thar's no construction magic in that. With t' fins bein' one-piece plastic fin units with built-in launch lugs, ya bilge rat, me hearties, about all you have t' do is build t' motor mounts and shock cord mounts, and then assemble t' all t' pieces you see. Ya scallywag! Very easy and very straightforward.

Bein' only t' second rocket I ever built, arrr, I was extremely excited t' launch it that first day. Avast! Begad! I be a bit nervous about that 48" crepe paper streamer givin' a slow enough descent, so I bought an Estes plastic 18" hexagonal parasheet. Aye aye! Begad!  Sent it up a couple times single-stage on t' 18" parachute. Ya scallywag! Ahoy! Sent it up 2-stage, matey, and WOW! It was simply awesome. Avast! A great flight, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, but it drifted quite a bit on t' 18" chute, so I attached t' streamer for t' next two-stage flight. Ahoy! Up it goes, but t' booster engine fails t' ignite t' upper stage, arrr, arrr, which, arrr, o' course means no attempt be made t' eject t' streamer, so t' rocket streamlined down. Blimey! Blimey! . Begad! Avast! . Ahoy! PRANG! I'd like t' say it be a lawn dart, but it hit pavement! Damn, ya bilge rat, arrr, t' nose cone pushed back, me bucko, shiver me timbers, shreddin' t' top 12" o' body tube, arrr, and t' weight o' t' engines and fins etc. Aye aye! (the booster stage never separated) cause t' body t' crumple about 8" forward o' t' upper stage fin unit.

This stagin' failure was caused by t' booster motor ejectin' from t' booster before it could ignite t' upper stage engine. I recall that me wife (who had t' job o' watchin' t' booster) was worried that I'd be upset because all she could find was t' booster motor, shiver me timbers, and nay t' booster. Ya scallywag! Arrr! (In retrospect, matey, I can't believe that she was able t' find t' engine casing. Blimey! Begad! . . Well, blow me down! )T' booster was still attached t' t' upper stage (a. k. Begad! a. Aye aye! sustainer). Ya scallywag! Begad! I didn't know much about stagin' at this point, me bucko, but it was obvious even then that I didn't want t' booster engine t' eject backwards out o' t' booster, I wanted t' booster t' separate from t' sustainer. If you haven't built t' rocket yet, shiver me timbers, t' obvious fix is t' simply add a normal motor hook t' t' booster. Begad! Havin' already built mine, me hearties, however, ya bilge rat, matey, I required a different solution. I ended up makin' this bizarre contraption o' bent-up paper clips t' retain t' booster motor. Avast! Arrr! It starts with a rin' around t' booster body, matey, just above t' fins. Avast! Avast, ya bilge rat, me proud beauty! Attached t' this are two U-shaped pieces. T' tops o' t' U's are hooked t' t' ring, and t' bottom o' t' U's fit snugly under t' motor casin' when it's installed in t' booster. Well, blow me down! Aye aye! T' help hold t' U's in place, ya bilge rat, thar are two cross members down near t' engine, ya bilge rat, ya bilge rat, though I'm nay sure how necessary they are. Ya scallywag! Begad! There's enough play so that t' U's can just be slid sideways t' allow insertion or removal o' t' engine. Begad! Ahoy! It's dirt cheap, and it works beautifully (never had a booster motor eject since), me bucko, matey, but it isn't much t' look at. Avast! I've never made another one for any other rocket because it would probably maul a balsa wood fin pretty badly, and it might nay line up right with three fins instead o' four. Ya scallywag! I'll try t' put a picture o' it here soon.

[Rocket Pic]Well, matey, despite t' major destruction, I managed t' rebuild it (albeit 14" shorter). Blimey! Blimey! Made sure it was still stable and went out t' try again, this time at a club launch. Ahoy! Worked just fine single stage. Ya scallywag! Time t' try it 2-stage again. Begad! Blimey! Up it goes, matey, shiver me timbers, arrr, t' booster burns through and separates. Blimey! . Avast! Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! . Avast, me proud beauty! but again, shiver me timbers, no upper stage ignition. LAWN DART! Blimey! Sunk t' nose cone about 3" into t' ground, and ripped up a lot more body tube. Ahoy! Only difference this time is that I got some good advice from t' nice folks in t' GSSS club. Begad! Ya scallywag! Blimey! Get yourself a newer edition (the 6th edition be t' newest as o' Feb 1998) o' G. Well, blow me down! Begad! Blimey! Harry Stine's Handbook o' Model Rocketry. Ahoy! This book has a whole chapter devoted t' staging. Avast, me proud beauty! Consider a short stuffer tube t' direct t' flamin' bits o' propellant more directly at t' upper stage engine. Avast! In retrospect, t' stuffer tube is probably nay necessary, since t' distance betwixt t' two engines is rather small. Well, blow me down! Blimey! But without question, me hearties, arrr, DRILL SOME VENT HOLES!

[Rocket Pic]Well, shiver me timbers, now it was just too short. Aye aye! Had t' buy some BT-56 body tubes and couplers t' add 18" o' new tube. Aye aye! I made a stuffer tube out o' a piece o' an expended D motor, and drilled two 3/16" vent holes, one on each side o' t' booster, up near where t' bottom o' t' upper stage engine would be when its all put together. Avast, me proud beauty! It has since been flown no less than 6 times in 2-stage configuration, matey, and t' upper stage has lit every single time!

One side note, me hearties, though. Ahoy! Blimey! . Begad! Aye aye! . on that second prang, ya bilge rat, me bucko, t' upper stage engine was completely blackened by t' burn-through o' t' booster. It really should have ignited. Ahoy! Knowin' more now, I'm convinced that that engine was faulty, me bucko, in that t' clay o' t' nozzle completely covered t' propellant, ya bilge rat, which is why it didn't ignite. Avast! I've seen this situation in one other engine (which be so bilge-suckin' it wouldn't even ignite directly from an igniter), and others on rec. Ahoy! models. Well, blow me down! rockets have seen it, matey, too. Well, blow me down! So, a word t' t' wise: always scrape t' nozzle o' your upper stage engines t' expose fresh propellant. I use a small eyeglasses-type screwdriver for this purpose.

There are a few other hints that I can think o' regardin' this rocket. Begad! Blimey! Although I haven't experienced this problem myself, me hearties, me hearties, others have complained that this rocket has a tendency t' crimp or buckle t' body tube just above t' top o' t' plastic fin unit on t' upper stage (a. Ya scallywag! k. Ya scallywag! Ya scallywag! a. Ya scallywag! sustainer). Blimey! There are a couple o' ways t' improve your chances o' nay havin' this problem. Perhaps t' easiest is t' buy a BT-56 tube coupler, and glue that in so that it reinforces this area. Ya scallywag! Just make sure that it won't interfere with your engine mount. Begad! Ya scallywag! O' course, this is really only practical if you decide t' do it before you start construction. Aye aye! Blimey! Arrr! Blimey! T' other way t' help avoid bucklin' t' body tube is t' soak that part o' t' rocket in thin CA (cyanoacrylate) glue.

Another tip related t' longevity, is t' coat t' inside o' t' top o' t' booster with glue. Ya scallywag! Avast! When stagin' occurs, t' booster engine blows a bunch o' burnin' propellant forward into this area, arrr, and then t' upper stage ignites and blows hot exhaust backwards into this area. This can cause t' paper tube coupler t' char pretty badly, me bucko, especially after many stagings. I coated all t' inside surface o' t' top o' me booster with a thin coat o' t' regular yellow wood glue. Aye aye! Aye aye! A thin coat o' epoxy would probably protect it better, and nay be as susceptible t' t' heat, matey, but I didn't have epoxy then. Ya scallywag! And besides, shiver me timbers, me bucko, matey, mine has stood up remarkably well, so I can still recommend yellow glue for this application.

About t' only other complaint that I've heard from other people who've flown this rocket, arrr, is that t' supplied recovery device, matey, matey, a 48" long crepe paper streamer, matey, is insufficient. Arrr! Some people have even broken fins on landin' on grass, which is surprising, given that it's a reasonably sturdy, arrr, one-piece plastic fin unit. Begad! Ya scallywag! Regardless, arrr, I would agree that it comes down rather fast on t' streamer. Blimey! One possible alternative is t' simply add another streamer, or make a significantly larger streamer (or both). Begad! Begad! However, me hearties, ya bilge rat, I've settled on usin' a standard Estes 12" plastic parachute with t' spill hole (a. Arrr! k. a. Ahoy! peak vent hole) cut out. Well, blow me down! Ahoy! See that blue dotted line that forms about a 2" hole in t' middle? Cut that out. Begad! With this chute, ya bilge rat, t' Long Shot comes down soft enough t' avoid significant landin' damage, but doesn't drift into t' next area code on two-stage flights (as an 18" parachute would do).

Despite me problems gettin' t' second stage t' ignite (or perhaps because o' them), arrr, ya bilge rat, I have become fascinated with staging. Blimey! As you may have noticed, several o' me rockets are staged. Well, blow me down! I really like this rocket. I feel so proud every time that upper stage lights. Avast! Ahoy! . Well, blow me down! Begad! .

Update on 1997 Oct 12. Ya scallywag! . Arrr! . Begad! Arrr! I lost t' upper stage o' this rocket. :-( T' booster portion went fine, with a slight arc. Ahoy! Aye aye! T' upper stage ignited successfully, shiver me timbers, arrr, matey, and continued that arc. Avast! T' sustainer was painted yellow and orange, and it was headin' right into t' sunset, ya bilge rat, so we lost sight o' it. Avast! I heard t' ejection charge pop, but neither me wife nor I ever saw t' upper stage again.

Update on 1997 Oct 19. Ya scallywag! Begad! . Well, blow me down! Ahoy! . Avast! Begad! I have essentially re-built t' upper stage. Avast, me proud beauty! It's all from scratch, me bucko, ya bilge rat, with balsa fins and and Estes parts (body tubes, me bucko, motor mount, ya bilge rat, and nose cone). Other than usin' balsa for t' fins, arrr, thar's really nay much that I changed in t' construction, I really liked it t' way it was. Aye aye! About t' only other thin' that I changed be that instead o' t' orange and yellow paint on t' old one, shiver me timbers, t' new one is a pretty cool-lookin' blue and yellow.

Description: A long 2 staged rocket, with a D powered booster and a B or C powered sustainer
Purpose: My first multi-staged rocket. Arrr! Also me first big rocket.
Motors: Single Stage: C5-3, me hearties, C6-3
Two Stage, Booster: D12-0
Two Stage, Upper Stage: B6-6, C6-7
Max Altitude: Single Stage: C5-3: 300ft(91m)
Single Stage: C6-3: 275ft(84m)
Two Stage: D12-0/B6-6: 700ft (212m)
Two Stage: D12-0/C6-7: 1000ft (305m) ... Blimey! at least, that's what it says on t' inside, ya bilge rat, although t' outside o' t' box claims 1300ft max altitude, shiver me timbers, arrr, which, t' be honest, arrr, seems more likely. Well, blow me down! It definitely goes higher than me models that claim t' go t' 1000ft.
Length: 46"
Diameter: 1.35" (BT-56)
Weight: 5.7oz
Recovery: Comes with a 2"x48" red crepe paper streamer.
I've had much better results with a 12" Estes parachute, with t' spill hole cut out.
Nose Cone: 4" Ogive, plastic
Payload: None
Fins: Booster: 4, plastic fin unit
Sustainer: 4, shiver me timbers, plastic fin unit
Notes: Requires (3) 1x2 squares o' wadding, so I prefer t' use me Nomex® HeatShield from Pratt Hobbies (which I highly recommend).
Skill Level: 2
Part Number: 2128
Price: 19.99

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