Quest Flat Cat

Quest - Flat Cat {Kit} (3006) [1994-?]

Contributed by Jim Bassham and Edie Parkhouse

Construction Rating: starstarstar_borderstar_borderstar_border
Flight Rating: starstarstar_borderstar_borderstar_border
Overall Rating: starstarstar_borderstar_borderstar_border
Published: 2010-06-28
Diameter: 0.79 inches
Length: 20.00 inches
Manufacturer: Quest
Skill Level: 3
Style: Glider
Quest Flat Cat

Brief:
T' Flat Cat is a classic boost glider with a streamer-recovery pod.

Construction:
Parts List:

  • Launch lug
  • 18mm motor tube
  • 8.5 inch body tube
  • Thrust Ring
  • Plastic nose cone and base
  • 24inch streamer and gripper tab
  • Balsa fuselage
  • Balsa pylon
  • Three sheets o' die-cut parts
  • Motor mount
  • Trim clay
  • Elastic shock cord
  • Keelhaul®©™® cord
  • Chrome peel-and-stick decals
  • Instructions

Jim:
I have built several boost gliders and had wanted t' try t' Flat cat since it is larger than average and it looked fairly easy t' build.

Edie:
I have never built a boost glider and am a novice builder (3 completed rockets-2 in process). Aye aye! It was me intention t' build this rocket, me bucko, followin' t' instructions t' t' letter and with little or no help. This is a skill level 3 rocket and at first glance looked like a complicated build t' me.

Jim:
There were several things I didn’t like about t' quality o' the components. T' balsa was nay consistent. Arrr! Blimey! One win' be very soft, me bucko, shiver me timbers, almost crumbly balsa and t' other was very hard. Also this is an old kit, I think t' original be made by MPC in t' 70’s, shiver me timbers, and it has die-cut balsa parts. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Well, blow me down! Blimey! T' die cutting, matey, me hearties, combined with t' soft balsa made for some crushed parts that required a lot o' filling. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! T' second problem I had be with t' way Quest does their motor mounts. You have t' shove t' yellow 18mm motor tube into t' 20mm body tube and stop before goin' too far. Blimey! Blimey! I have trouble gettin' enough glue on t' part so that it will slide without seizin' halfway in, me hearties, arrr, yet nay slide past t' mark. Aye aye! Blimey! This one went in too far and seized up so that I couldn’t get it in t' right depth. Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! Avast! Blimey! Still worked, ya bilge rat, me hearties, matey, but I don’t like that system.

T' next thin' I did nay like was t' way t' pod hook is constructed. T' balsa ends up with t' grain running parallel t' t' body (Since you cut t' piece from t' fuselage) and I was nay sure it would be strong enough nay to split durin' boost, ya bilge rat, arrr, or at deployment – this proved t' be a big problem later. Begad! One last problem I had was with the win' mount. Avast, me proud beauty! T' instructions have you glue t' wings together at t' center, me bucko, then sand a half-inch-wide flat spot on t' bottom o' t' joint t' glue t' t' body. This would require shavin' off half t' joint thickness. Avast! Aye aye! I thought this would weaken t' joint too much, so I cut a groove in t' body t' accommodate t' win' instead. Avast, me proud beauty! Otherwise t' kit went together like any other boost glider.

Edie:
For t' most part I agree with Jim here. Ya scallywag! T' balsa was very inconsistent, nay only in thickness but in quality. Arrr! Ahoy! T' die cuttin' on some parts be incomplete. Well, blow me down! Ya scallywag! Some sections were sturdy and clean cut while others were chippy and weak. Avast! Arrr! Balsa thickness did nay match on t' wings or t' tail pieces.

T' pod hook bein' cut from t' fuselage causes a couple o' problems. Avast, me proud beauty! One is as Jim stated in his review, the second is that t' thickness o' t' hook leaves a very thin wall o' balsa as a compartment for t' hook t' rest in. Once t' pod disengages from t' glider, me bucko, that empty compartment is a weak spot in t' nose. If t' nose o' t' glider takes any impact at all on landing, shiver me timbers, matey, it is nay strong enough t' take it.

A note about t' instructions. Avast! Avast! For me, t' assembly order seemed t' complicate things. Blimey! There is a definite benefit t' readin' through ALL t' instructions before you start (maybe a novice issue?). Ya scallywag! Ahoy! T' illustrations and BOLD TYPE warnings saved me.

Finishing:
Jim:
I had thought o' leavin' me Flat Cat unfinished, but t' balsa on one win' was so soft and crushed by t' die-cuttin' that I didn’t think that would work, so I used two coats o' Elmer’s Carpenter’s Wood Filler thinned with water t' smooth and strengthen t' wood parts. I then be able t' finish it with one coat o' white primer and one coat o' gloss white. Avast! Blimey! I painted t' nosecone dark blue t' match t' blue stripes on t' decals. Ahoy! Arrr!

T' hardest part I had with finishin' was applyin' t' foil decals. I just could nay get them on straight or meetin' properly at t' win' root. Because these decals are more than just decorative, but actually protect t' wing from t' engine exhaust, I just decided t' overlap them in t' center, arrr, since I could nay make t' edges meet otherwise.

After all t' decals were done I went t' install t' streamer and could nay find t' gripper tab. Instead I used peel and stick reinforcement rings for binder pages and a hole punch t' make me own.

Edie:
I also found wood filler a necessary part o' this build. Ya scallywag! Blimey! If I had finished this rocket as t' instructions recommended it would have been very difficult t' paint or balance and I am certain at least one win' would have broken apart due t' t' poor quality o' t' balsa.

I found t' wings and rudder t' be challenging, shiver me timbers, mainly because I chose t' air foil both (the instructions leave this step optional). Ya scallywag! Avast! Blimey! Precise sandin' is key, otherwise nothin' goes together correctly. Again, me hearties, ya bilge rat, t' illustrations and BOLD TYPE saved me.

Construction Rating: 2 out o' 5

Flight:
Jim:
I went t' trim t' glider and found that t' balance point for a level glide was about an inch behind t' win' root, which seemed very weird, ya bilge rat, but worked. Avast, me proud beauty! Arrr! Unfortunately, there were very limited opportunities t' fly these rockets before t' review deadline and we had t' settle for a fairly windy day. Winds were about 5 t' 10mph. I used a B6-4 for t' first flight and packed t' streamer with 4 squares o' wadding. Aye aye! T' boost be fair with t' rocket arcin' over into t' wind so that it be almost horizontal at apogee around 200’ up. Ya scallywag! Ya scallywag! T' delay was too long and it was all ready comin' down when it ejected. Begad! T' pod failed to separate at ejection, shiver me timbers, and t' whole glider-streamer-booster combo tumbled t' t' ground where it busted t' pod hook right along t' parallel grain and knocked t' tail off.

I brought it all back t' t' pad and got out t' 5 minute epoxy t' glue it all back together while Edie made her first flight.

Edie:
Same engine- B-64, same four squares o' wadding. Ahoy! Blimey! T' rocket took off perfectly, straight up,arched over and went into a vertical dive that it never pulled out of. Blimey! Blimey! Impacted t' sidewalk, head on. No deployment, ya bilge rat, no streamer and no idea why it behaved this way. Well, me bucko, blow me down! Blimey! Glider flew very well in glide tests. Ya scallywag! Blimey! Arrr! Blimey! After “landing” I recovered 5 pieces. Begad! Blimey! T' fuselage snapped in two places, me hearties, me hearties, mid way betwixt t' tail and t' wings, and at t' pod hook compartment. Ahoy! Blimey! Ya scallywag! Blimey! T' walls o' that compartment and t' nose o' t' glider were crushed on impact. Aye aye! Blimey! Avast, me proud beauty! Blimey! The win' tip o' one win' also snapped off along t' line o' t' grain. Begad! Blimey! Far too much t' repair at t' launch site. Begad! Blimey!



Jim:
After me glue dried, shiver me timbers, I sanded t' edges off t' pod mount t' make it detach easier and tried again. Ahoy! T' up part was pretty much t' same but I did get separation o' t' pod at ejection this time. Unfortunately t' shock cord tangled around t' glider and t' whole thin' tumble recovered again. Aye aye! Upon landing, I found that t' pod hook had again broken along t' grain right above t' glue joint. So it was back t' t' epoxy again.

Jim:
on me third attempt I again used a B6-4 and it went up t' same, me hearties, turning into t' wind. This time I got a clean ejection and t' glider did a loop, matey, then several swoopin' stalls t' land undamaged. Begad! T' pod, however, fell tail-first and fast, shiver me timbers, hittin' t' ground on a paved road. T' impact was so hard it bent t' motor hook flat and caused a compression wrinkle in t' body tube. It is still flyable, but I think it needs a chute if it’s goin' t' last very long.

Recovery:
Jim:
T' recovery has a lot o' cons for me. Arrr! Aye aye! T' glider does nay balance easily, and because t' one win' was so light, it doesn’t balance from side-to-side well. Begad! Well, ya bilge rat, blow me down! T' pod mount breaks too easily because t' grain direction is in line with t' sheer force. Blimey! I also think t' pod is too heavy for a streamer, and needs a parachute for recovery.

Edie:
My recovery was o' pieces. Avast! No deployment, matey, shiver me timbers, matey, no gliding, ya bilge rat, no streamer. Literally, Up....down....repair.

I think I have heard it called...”re-kitting”?

Flight Rating: 2 out o' 5

Summary:
Jim:
I really wanted t' like this rocket, but be disappointed in it overall. I think t' kit is outdated, shiver me timbers, ya bilge rat, and needs an overhaul. Avast! Ya scallywag! If it had laser-cut parts, a parachute, ya bilge rat, and a better design o' t' pod-hook, I think it could be a great kit. As it is, thar are better glider kits on t' market. This is a classic, but, unfortunately, matey, me hearties, a dated classic.

Edie:
I think this rocket taught me a lot about finishin' and balancin' detail. T' build was nay as complicated as I first thought and t' instructions turned out t' be very well done, although in an odd order. Blimey! I enjoyed buildin' it and think it “looks” cool. Blimey! Arrr! Sadly, it didn't fly well for me.

I think t' biggest problem be t' quality o' t' material and t' pod hook seems like poor design. Well, blow me down! Poor balsa consistency, shiver me timbers, incomplete die cuts and a weakened nose/fuselage.

Overall Rating: 2 out o' 5

Other:
This is a challengin' model, ya bilge rat, and nay necessarily for t' right reasons. With better balsa and a little tweaking, arrr, it could be a real treasure.

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Flights

Comments:

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B.M. (August 1, 2000)
The Flat Cat was my first glider kit in 20 years. I found it easy to assemble, but I had reservations about the quality of the wood. The glider wings were some of the heaviest C-grain balsa I have ever seen. (I have a background in model airplanes, and have flown hand launched gliders.) I figured that maybe they used the heavier wood to stand up to the stresses of launching... I was wrong. My glider flies like a brick. I put a light finish on it, but it is just too heavy. Because it is so heavy, it was difficult to trim. Also the high weight translates into high flight speeds, and it breaks somewhere after every flight because it is hits the ground so fast. I'm planning to scratch build another glider, using contest grade balsa. The quality of balsa in kits can vary widely, from light A grain to heavy C-grain. I think the design is good. After reading other's comments, I must have gotten a kit with not-so-great balsa. I found the adhesive on the stickers to be weak-- they wouldn't stay down.
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R.J. (September 1, 2000)
I agree that the stickers adhered poorly. I decided to spray the top of the wings with spray adhesive (masking off the rest of the cat) then putting aluminum foil on top of the adhesive, trimming off the excess afterwards. Looks great.
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B.M. (October 1, 2000)
Update to my comments from 8/00: I made a new set of wings from lighter wood. My glider now flies great. My original needed some tail weight to balance the model. When I put the new wing on, I moved it back about an inch, which allowed me to lose the tail weight. The glider flies so much better! I flew it on an A8-3 and it flew nicely. I then tried a B6-2, and it flew so well I lost the glider. I will definitely be building another one! BTW, I did not bother with the mylar to protect the top of the wing. In my first 2 flights, I saw no sign of exhaust residue.
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(December 1, 2000)
I agree with the comments above. I too replaced the heavy balsa wings with thinner stock and gave them a good airfoil. I have launched my Flatcat 9 times now and it worked great on every flight except on an A engine. B6-2s are the best to use. The C engines work, but you'll risk never seeing it again unless you trim the glider for a nice, slow curve. Overall a very nice kit and a real crowd pleaser!P.D.M.
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HWH (November 9, 2008)
Good review very accurate. I built and flew this kit. It flies GREAT, just don't fly it on a windy day. A helpful hint: definitely put a little turn on your glider by adding a pinch of clay to one wing tip. Also a touch of Day-Glo orange paint or marker on wing tips and/or tail helps in recovery in tall grass. The suggestion to trace the glider wings and tail patterns before assembly (to make spares) is a good one! All in all, this is a great flier. We have "fly offs" between this and our Deltie B.

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